Live burn of an airplane.
15 Sep 2019

Minutes from CTIF´s Firefighting at Airports´Commission meeting on 9/11


CTIF Commission “Rescue and Fire Fighting at Airports” meeting –
Ljubljana Fraport Aviation Fire Academy 11th – 12th September 2019.


Peter Tschümperlin, Switzerland
Karl-Christian Hahn, Germany
Wolfgang Voraberger, Austria Rosenbauer
Philipp Platzl, Austria Rosenbauer
Thomas Uihlein, Slovenia Fraport
Stephan Syring, Slovenia Fraport
Milan Dubravac, Slovenia Fraport
Primož Mali, Slovenia Fraport
Manfred Sommerer, Austria
Veli-Matti Sääskilahti, Finland
Andreas Herndler, Austria
Alexandre Czech, Switzerland
Martin Gorski, Germany Sthamer
Jörg Winkler, Germany WinTecCon
Ole J. Hansen, Norway
Alberto Zamorano de Blas, Spain
Lars Johansson, Sweden
Trond Joranger, Norway
Igors Cavkins, Latvia
Oernulf Roenningen, Norway
Roland Bazan, Hungary
Gabor Nagy, Hungary


September 11 th

09:00 – 09.20 Welcome

Fire Aviation Academy, Thomas Uihlein, Director of Aviation Academy
Slovenian Fire Association, deputy chief of Slovene Fire Association
Fire Aviation Academy, Milan Dubravac
CTIF Airport Commission chairman, Veli-Matti Sääskilahti
Introductions of the participants.

09.20 – 09.40 Approval of minutes Vienna 2018, Veli-Matti Sääskilahti
Minutes of last meeting was approved.
New member from Riga Airport.
Regrets from EASA, Copenhagen Airport, Army Switzerland, Strategic Fire
Solutions, AFOA, Iturri and Ziegler.

09.40 – 11.00 Foam
ECHA (European Chemical Agency) presentation by Veli-Matti Sääskilahti:
Projects on PFASs in firefighting foams (see ctif.org). ECHA will make a report to
EU 2020.

Sthamer presentation by Martin Gorski: Foam use in the future (see ctif.org).
Participants have discussion about changing the foam, building new training
areas and collecting it to sewer.

11.00 – 11.15 Coffee break.

11.15 – 11.30 Dry powder presentation (see ctif.org), Karl-Christian Hahn.
Discussing about reducing amount of powder compared to Table 1 (Minimum
usable amounts of extinguishing agents) in EASA regulation.
Frankfurt Airport will have intension to AltMoc. Reducing amount of powder is
reasonable because of difference between powder qualities. Aircraft
manufacturers do not recommend the use of powder.

11.30 – 12.15 Commission work.
Questionnaire presentation (see ctif.org). Full scale exercises – interval, Peter
Commission will inform EASA about questionnaire results.
Combined ARFF Services presentation (see ctif.org), Ole J. Hansen.
Most countries use combined services up to CAT 6.

12.15 – 12.30 EASA News. Participants discussion.
AMC which allows the use for alternative fuels for training in pressure fed fuel
fires and GM for the RFFS Medical Standards are at the final stage.
These will be published soon, unless any unforeseen obstacle coming.

12.30 – 13.15 Lunch.
13.15 – 13.30 Electrical aircraft – batteries presentation (see ctif.org), Peter

13.30 – 13.45 Incident Geneva Airport explosive door openings presentation (see
ctif.org), Alexander Czech

13.45 – 14.45 News from member countries presented in meeting. Information about:
- Response time, the meaning of two and three minutes in regulation.
- Digital simulations
- Sharing SOP (Standard Operation Procedures) inside the commission
- TRA (Task Resource Analysis).
- Using the English language at the airports.
- Procedures during thunderstorm.
- Clean fire station projects

14.45 – 15.00 Discussion topics in Nordic countries, Veli-Matti Sääskilahti
Manning different categories, CAT 1 and 2.

15.00 – 15.15 Coffee break.

15.15 – 15.30 News from CTIF Associated member companies
WinTecCon presentation (see ctif.org), Jörg Winkler
Rosenbauer, Wolfgang Voraberger

15.30 – 15.40 News from CTIF, Ole J. Hansen
New general secretary Roman Sykora Austria.
Milan Dubrovac and Ole J. Hansen was re-elected as a vice presidents.
Seminar in Ostrava will be held in October.
Opinion that all material will be published in ctif.org web page.
Extra meeting between the annual meetings via video conference skype or
another tool.

15.40 – 16.00 Composite materials presentation (see ctif.org), Veli-Matti Sääskilahti
– Exposure to composite
– Cleaning
16.00 – 16.30 Moscow airplane accident presentation (see ctif.org), Peter
Tschuemperlin, Ole Hansen, Veli-Matti Sääskilahti
– Introduction
– Discussion
– No information from Russia.
Working in Commission board discussion, new board member wanted.
Next annual meeting in Hamburg 22-23 of June 2020 organized by Sthamer Martin

16.45 – 17.30 Visit in Panther simulator in Fire Academy.


September 12th

09:00 Transportation from hotel.
– Fire Academy visit and fire exercise in training area.
– Barbecue

12:00 Transport to terminal. Flights home.

Veli-Matti Sääskilahti
Chairman – CTIF Airport Commisson